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District 37 Assembly Candidates Say Anti-Bullying Law Should Be Rescinded

Republicans Keith Jensen and John Aslanian say lawmakers should focus on tax relief and called the new law “meddlesome” and “oppressive.”

 

District 37 Republican Assembly candidates John Aslanian and Keith Jensen said Friday that if they are elected, they intend to support legislation suspending New Jersey’s anti-bullying law, calling it “oppressive,” and saying legislators should focus on tax relief instead.

The anti-bullying law, sponsored by their Democratic opponent, Assemblywoman Valerie Vainieri Huttle (D-37), went into effect statewide at the beginning of the current school year, but the two Republicans say it “has turned into a bureaucratic and legal nightmare for administrators, teachers, parents and students.”

Aslanian said in a statement that the law is a “financial drain on schools.”

‘The bill is eating into school curriculum time and staff time,” he said. “Our children need to be learning math, reading and computer skills. They need to compete for jobs in the world economy. The bullying law isn’t going to help them do any of that.”

Jensen of Fort Lee and Aslanian of Englewood Cliffs—staunch proponents of “Fair School Funding”—want to see the anti-bullying law “mothballed” until it can be further scrutinized. 

“There is a difference between bullying and teasing, and I think Huttle’s meddlesome legislation blurs that line,” Jensen said, calling the legislation “a knee jerk reaction” to “an unfortunate incident” in reference to Tyler Clementi, the Rutgers University student who jumped to his death from the George Washington Bridge last year, prompting the new law.

Jensen added, “It’s the parent’s job to raise their children properly, not the school administration’s job.”

Huttle said Friday she would not comment on a "campaign press release," adding that "bullying in New Jersey is not a political issue." She noted in an email that the bill was sponsored by 53 members of the Assembly and 28 members of the Senate, and signed by Governor Christie.

Related Topics: Anti-bullying law, District 37, John Aslanian, Keith Jensen, Valerie Vainieri Huttle, and republican candidates

Jerry Liebowitz

7:34 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

These guys are unfit for public office. Do they need one of their kids to suffer the wrath of one or more bullies before they wake up? Young victims are learning little, afraid to go to school, intimidated, humiliated, beaten and all to often commit suicide.
Cyber-bullying has reached epidemic proportions and continues to increase. The Republican Party should remove them from its ticket.

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William Mays

7:42 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

Their kids are probably bullies and already got in trouble and that is why they are trying to repeal the law.

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John Aslanian

9:47 am on Saturday, October 22, 2011

We advocated suspending the anti-bullying law in our state, until which time it can either be done right or scrapped. The uber liberal Bergen Record came out with an article pointing out the problems as well. One of the Superintendents told us there is no definition, yet no shortage of procedures and a nightmare of paperwork. Even the ACLU is doing its job of standing up for Conservative principles of less intrusion into our lives. One of the many problems is eating into productive learning time. Why not teach conflict resolution vs overprotecting and creating people with less personal responsibility ? I suspect that Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were called a nerds, and I would argue some good came out of that. Teach kids how to stand up for themselves or healthy assertive training. I can think of a dozen better things to do with the limited time our children are in school off the top of my head. I suspect the parents are going to be none to happy when they are dragged into the principles office because someone was called overweight, or was it fat ? or is it only if they call them stupid or if they think your pants are a funny color ? Oh yea thats one of the many problems with it, no one thought to define it, although they did spend an awful lot of time on a myriad of acronyms and job titles and chains of command and formulas and procedures. Whatever happened to common sense and personal responsibility ? What did you call us ? Your child would be in big trouble John Aslanian

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steven aa cook sr

11:29 am on Saturday, October 22, 2011

I think a antibullying law for all not just for the kid's is a good thing. Because there are some people that bully the elderly and the sick. All of you that see bullying going on need to speak up. I know that there are some people that don't wish to hear the truth and try to inflick pain. That's why a antibullying law should be there for all not just a hand full.

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Deb Fein

3:03 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Just a year or so ago, a young student took his life by jumping off the GW Bridge. This was a result of bullying tactics by other students at Rutgers. Does this sound like the type of issue that can be postponed? I think not. Every district in NJ is taking on the anti-bullying theme, and rightfully so!

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Rita Murphy

3:11 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Because people disagree with you on one subject, they are unfit.....??

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Deb Fein

6:18 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

I agree with you Jerry. I hope that Assembly candidates John Aslanian and Keith Jensen come to their senses! Does one more child have to die before they see the light?

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tasha perez

2:10 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

i think that children need to be taught how to defend themselves. I agree the laws are out of control and are not at all defining the true issue. Today you are a bully if you make ANY comment that hurts anothers feelings....in that case all you people who disagree with my stand point are hurting my feelings and are bullies and should be punished!!! REALLY AMERICA wake up...teach your kids its ok to stand up for yourself. teach your kids if someone hits you hit back!!! that kids will think twice before he hits again!!!! Just because someone say i dont like you, you smell doesnt or whatever make them a bully....True bullies should be punished but these laws do not define that...so if you do not like my stand point or what i have to say keep your mouth shut because it will offend me and that is bulling!!!!

sal the fish

7:41 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

Yea, how dare they expect parents to be responsible for theit own children. What are they thinking.

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William Mays

7:48 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

Well, Sal, some parents are just as big of bullies as kids are. So when you can't go to the parents, you go to the law.

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Rita Murphy

3:14 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

I agree, we have so many children that have never heard the word "no", they will be hard pressed when they enter the workplace to develop the maturity to engage. So many are doped up with ritilin and such that parents don't even know their own children anymore. It is truly a sad situation for many parents.

Yun-Liu

8:22 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

Not sure how bullying equates to children killing themselves because they were found out about their sexuality. Teasing is a part of growing up. You, me and everyone that was born in the U.S.A. have been teased in one way or another and many of us endured fighting because of teasing.

Now, administrators from failing school systems getting paid 6 figure salaries is another story (we can also include irresponsible parenting). I agree with "No Child Left Behind" but... Children failing on my hard earned tax money is disappointing when I have children in the school system where there's not enough teachers and certain programs have been eliminated. So, as a parent, I would appreciate it if the government is going to take my money to support the wealthy administrators in these failing school systems.

Question... If your child is in the 1st grade in a Bergen County Public School, reading a 3rd grade level, would you like the fact that your child is being left behind educationally because there are not enough teachers because of a poor budget?

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William Mays

8:49 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

I agree with you that we shouldn't be paying such astronomical salaries for school administrators. The chancellor of NYC schools gets paid 50k more than our superintendent, the difference, being that he accounts for more than 1000 schools and our superintendent accounts for 6.

Yun-Liu

9:12 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

I am not a politician or do I feed into the political arena. I am a mother, wife, educator, business and property owner and supporter of local organizations in Bergen County. I am from NYC and your numbers are right about superintendents.

Pisses me off that children are failing on my tax dollar and yours, so that these administrators can live a life of luxury.

Sounds like pimping our children.

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Deb Fein

3:09 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Lets be specific here. We are not talking about building Principals. We are discussing superintendents, is that right? I hear that Bandlow did a wonderful job, but certain politics in the area forced him to resign.

Yun-Liu

9:19 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

On the most part children are not killing themselves because of bullying alone. They are being killed in these poor school districts (i.e., Newark, Paterson, etc.).
As parents, such as myself and hopefully responsible parents like yourselves, we try and focus on the real issues of bullying, Teasing, the new trend (homosexuality), and a long history of drug habits picked up right at home when children get hooked on a family members prescription drugs.

I am sort of in the middle about this anti-bullying law. Hopefully, I would like to help find a solution in order for my children and yours to get a fair shot at a good education, especially if they are advanced children.

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NJbornanddie

11:18 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

people need to wise up. the world is a rough place U.S. kids are coddled till they think they are perfect, can do no wrong and should be praised for being weak.

Bullying is wrong, but we shouldn't have a law for everything on the planet. Parents need to step up and stop hoping government saves them from everything.

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Yun-Liu

11:24 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

@NJbornanddie... I totally agree...

Yun-Liu

12:23 am on Saturday, October 22, 2011

@Billy Mays... I am implying that "child homosexuals" seems like they are killing themselves because they have been figured out, caught, etc. on the most part. Stories like this have been over powering. This has absolutely nothing to do with our children's education and how our children are loosing out on a good education or even given the opportunity to be acknowledged for their accomplishments.

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Deb Fein

3:12 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

I do not agree Opinionator. They are embarassed for being found out. As a society, we need to support people for who they are, not for banners they have to hide behind. It's the larger issue of being bullied, and it spreading throughout the campus that causes depressed teens to consider taking their lives.

Marc Wallice

7:38 am on Saturday, October 22, 2011

This law solves nothing....If anything we need less laws...These men should be elected ASAP.

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Deb Fein

3:13 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Teens need to know what to do when they are being bullied. The law forces the schools to address these issues which they should. We do not need more tragedies.

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Yun-Liu

5:34 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Maybe there should be a program for children who are confused about themselves. Seems like it's a mental issue.

Jack B Goode

10:37 am on Saturday, October 22, 2011

I agree.This law solves nothing. School Administrators all over the state are confused as to how to apply this law.The passing of this measure insults educators by mandating them to do what they have been doing for years(dealing with bullying), also the costs are put on the taxpayers because schools will incur the financial burden. Bullying has been present in the world from the beginning of civilization.This knee-jerk reaction probably wouldn't have prevented the unfortunate suicide of that student that triggered this action..
It is good for one thing : Politicians bragging rights.

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William Mays

11:09 am on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Who cares if it insults them, if they aren't doing enough to try to stop bullying, they should be mandated to. It might be confusing right now, but all new laws are at first.

Keith Jensen

12:11 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Nothing better when an erudite editor of The Bergen Record echoes what John and I had already said:
http://www.northjersey.com/news/education/Educators_police_officers_take_part_in_anti-bullying_workshop.html

Please ask yourself, how often do you see a conservative, the ACLU and The Bergen Record marching to the same beat on a given topic?

To date, John and I are the only candidates in the State to come out openly critical of the way it was rolled out. Sure, the laws needed to be updated with the times, but we agree like with any military mission, business case or other issue, the first thing that must be done is to define the problem.

I've spoken with many people involved with this, including police, senior school administrators, politicians, teachers, children and parents who said there is no clear definition of what a bully is, yet now many parents and teachers are now burdened by a process that is overwhelming, distracting and costly.

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Diane Schwarz

12:43 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Where was John when they taught spelling at his school. A principle is what you stand up for, like preventing bullying. A principal is the official that's supposed to see that there's none in his/her school.
Kids are killing themselves, not because they're "found out", or teased, but because they're mentally & PHYSICALLY harassed CONTINUALLY throughout the school day, especially in bathrooms or locker rooms (where there seldom are supervisors) plus before & after school on cell phones and other media.

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Yun-Liu

5:44 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Then these kids need counselling... Would your son like to be in a locker room with a boy who has a mental problem dealing with sexuality? What if your son came home twisted, what would you do? Where would you go? How would you deal with it? Not the bully, but your son...

The real issue I would say is taxes. Bullying is not a political issue that would benefit any of us high taxpayers.

Bullying will always exist. Bullying, Teasing, Drugs, Teenage Pregnancy, there is no way to put a law on anything that's not going to work.

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William Mays

9:09 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Oh so gays need counseling now? You can't make a gay individual un-gay. Thats not how it works. You can't scold them for a choice that they didn't make.

jimmy

2:50 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Hey billy mays, why so much passion about this bullying nonsense, were you bullied as a young boy ?? Sadly it sounds like you often had to give up your lunch money to the bullies in school..but that said, boys will be boys and they don't need govt. legislating this ..geez !!

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William Mays

9:10 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Actually yeah, I was bullied, but look at me now. I'm working on Wall Street and last I've heard, the one particular kid that used to bully me is a auto mechanic in Hackensack. When boys being boys leads to someone killing themselves, thats not the same as someone calling someone else fat.

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Deb Fein

10:43 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

I agree with your post at 2:50 pm. People are who they are.

Rita Murphy

3:07 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

These comments clearly show the division on this and they also show that when people can't debate the issues, they resort to name calling. First and foremost the schools should be teaching basic skills which they no longer concentrate thus the scores of the children in NJ are in the tank with the rest of the country. Our ranks are deplorable even in light of the cry for more money for the boards of education in all towns. Second, parents defend their child's actions no matter what they do....all watching Jersey Shore for entertainment and these other mad reality bad behavior programs...they learn what they see. (Why do you think companies pay thousands of dollars for 30 second ads...because they influence) Next, parents turned over most of their rights to the schools, they call you for an aspirin, but not an abortion. To the point, who is going to monitor the bully issue and what is bullying? Will it be a stare, snide remark? Without proper guidelines, don't be surprised when a child that pushes back is the one that gets the punishment because others support the bully. Everyone has a right to their opinion and make it respectfully, but don't be surprised when you, your children, your family are all under the thumb of others. Lawyers are laughing at this. End remark: all situations are diffferent and when we institute laws on top of laws, eventually you can do nothing and have no freedoms in your own home anymore.

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Deb Fein

3:42 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Sorry Rita, in addition to being a parent int his town, I am also an educator. The point is that the schools do focus on basic skills. Our high school alone is doing much better than in previous years. However, students need resources they have, and where to go when they run into situations they do not know how to handle, the school needs to take a stand. The school has a responsibility to deal with bullying! Just my rather strong opinion ((smiles)).

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Yun-Liu

5:56 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Deb... Our schools may be focusing on basic skills but unfortunately, children that are far advanced than others are kind of getting lost in the school system, due to the fact that there's not enough teachers because there's no money to hire them. Where's the money? We pay enough of it into the school system...

Unfortunately, school has become a giant babysitting facility for parents who use the excuse "I dont have time for my children at home because of work".

Yun-Liu

5:03 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

We can rant and rave all day about bullying... Not sure about you people, but I am tired of my hard earned money being wasted on failing school systems. With the new breed of children (whether they are homos or their parents are related, is meaningless). Maybe those children needs a special program. No one on this blog can say that their children NEVER teased another child.

It's ok to disagree with each other as adults, but as responsible, caring and loving adults for our children, we should try and at least meet on a matter that involves our children's education.

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William Mays

9:14 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Teasing is different than harassing.

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Yun-Liu

10:56 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Now, here's another one.

A girl walks into school wearing a shirt thats exposing cleveage and a short mini skirt. A boy walks into school dolled up in make-up, heels, and showing off his new wig. Another boy walks into school with his pants hanging off his rear wearing a hoodie. I witnessed with my own eyes right here at a school in Bergen County where they made the boy with the hanging pants go home and change. But did nothing about the boy all dolled up like a woman. And that young girl who came to school half dressed, she got smiles from every male teacher. Something is wrong here.

My biggest worry is my hard earned money being distributed to failing school districts. Give us that money back so we can hire more teachers, develop a program to help teenage homos.

Cant worry about all this bullying, something thats never going to end.

Do you think for one minute that other kids wont stop and either tease, harass, humiliate, etc.?

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William Mays

11:05 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

I agree with that, Opinionator. But I don't believe that this money has anything to do with failing school districts. I agree with the fair funding bill but not this.

Yun-Liu

6:11 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

And for all of you here that are educators, I am sure you would agree that you're not getting paid enough to teach, counsel, babysit, tolerate irresponsible parents, out of control children, teenage pregnancy, drug addiction, etc.

Maybe bullying the parents to get involved with their children's lives will help.

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Yun-Liu

11:50 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

@Billy Mays... Perhaps not, but this money has alot to do with the salaries of these 400 administrators in these failing school systems.

Anti-Bullying is just a political tactic. Give it another 6 months after election day and the only people who will be speaking about it will be the parents of PTA and PTO.

Diane Schwarz

8:55 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

I'm thinking about this here mental problem about sexuality a kid has, which causes his/her head to be bashed into a locker, or shoved into a toilet. Oh well, "boys will be boys" & these softy kids should just suck it up.

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William Mays

9:14 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

I agree with you, it more or less excusable if someone tells some else to shut up, but to badger them everyday on their sexuality and bully them, both mentally and physically, thats a different story. The problem is that school administrators often punish children for defending themselves. Recently my son was provoked into a fight at his school and when he tried to defend himself, he received detention for it even though he hadn't started it.

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Yun-Liu

10:31 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

I take it, this happened to your son? There should be a program for children who have problems dealing with themselves. Bullying is never going to end, just like crooked politicians and administrators pimping our children for more money in their pockets.

Not sure what state you're from but I've lived in Bergen County for 7 years and have never heard of a child's head being bashed in or shoved in a toilet.

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William Mays

10:41 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

My son isn't gay, but I'm just that this does happen.

Diane Schwarz

8:59 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

PS The ideal thing to do with a "twisted" kid is: "Out of the house, until you untwist."

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Yun-Liu

10:35 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

P.S., the best thing to do is seek counselling for your "twisted" kid. Thats the problem, parents use your exact same reasoning "Out of the house, until you untwist" and put the burden on the school system and complain that teachers are not doing their jobs and their kids are being bullied, instead of teaching them "at home"

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Anna

10:40 am on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

What the heck does this mean?

DMAB6395

9:38 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

I think they should leave the bill in place and work on a better one-they should not get rid of a law because it will do our kids more harm than good. And when we were in school there wasn't a computer system where they can "bully" other kids over the internet. There wasn't cellphones with cameras to take still pics or even videotape never mind there being no cellphones at all. We as parents, and the teachers, school admins etc need to step up to protect our children this is a different age with different ways to bully and yes I am going to say it terrorize our children. I was bullied in school and let me tell you it's not fun I would hate to be a child now with all the crap that they can be bullied by. I thank God wasn't bullied for long they found someone else to pick on (not saying that in a good way either they put that girl thru hell & yes she was my friend and still is) Get a grip and keep this law in effect.

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Yun-Liu

10:40 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

I do agree with you on this Donna. But, what is the law on bullying? "Dont do it"? All of us were bullied or have bullied someone once iin our lives, whether it was a total stranger or a family member, which is where it usually starts "at home".

Turning this Anti-Bullying broughaha into a political agenda is not and will not help children that are being bullied. It's only good for the politicians pushing this law.

Yun-Liu

11:01 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

The bill is in place, no one is arguing that. These politicians are turning anti-bullying into a political arena and this is quite obvious. If it wasnt, we would not be having this discussion.

TAXES IS WHAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT... Bullies will be bullies, they've been here since Moses' day and they will be here til dooms day.

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DMAB6395

2:12 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

The opinionated, I agree that bullying will always be here what I'm talking about is the bullying where they tell the kid that they should kill themselves, that the world is better off without them. That's what bullying is-maybe extreme bullying or they could come up with a different name for it. This is way beyond "picking on" or "bullying" it has nothing to do with sexuality either. For whatever reason one person doesn't like another and then they get their friends to feel the same way and then it starts. If you have never been in this situation then you don't know what it feels like and kids now a days are so easily manipulated & it gets so hard for them when they have no friends at all to go on. That's when they start to believe that they would be better off dead-the bullying would stop and then they end their lives. It's the responsibility of the child to report this, it's the responsibility of the school and all the parents to make sure that when the child reports this that drastic action is taken to all the kids involved. It's the only way to stop it. If you only punish one kid for the bullying then another will step in to take the place of the one who's no longer there. It's sad to say but our kids (not all kids) but their are kids out there that follow & there are those that lead-the leader is not always a good leader but they have followers who think that they are because they are popular etc. They want to be accepted so they follow. Tech bullying is new to us.

zizi

2:47 am on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Lazy teachers and administrators have to do something.... nah... that is not a good idea.. let us talk about raises for all of them.... every year for the next few years...... that is good......

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Yun-Liu

6:48 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

@Donna: Yes, I have been in this situation. I am from the old school born and raised in NYC. You're right there is a different kind of bullying nowadays and there's also a different breed of children. Well said Donna, I do agree. But, what can we do besides payout monies to create a power point presentation, online help centers for victims, etc. of bullying?

I came up with my own method. Call the bully's parent(s) up to the school and make them sit in class with their child ALL DAY... Let the parent know if they do not partake in sitting with their out of control child, then DYFES will be called.

Michelle Alcabes

9:53 am on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Dear District 37 Republican Assembly candidates John Aslanian and Keith Jensen,
Do you have children? Do you have children in the school system whether public or private? My guess is no because of the above article I just read. Are you kidding? More laws are necessary when it comes to bullying in our school system, not less. Before you make your final decision on suspending this anti-bullying law, how about contacting me first? I can give you 100 and one reasons why these laws are needed. Absolutely amazing.

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DMAB6395

9:04 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011

@The Opinionator-sorry if I implied that you didn't know about bullying I did not mean to say or for you to think that. I don't know what you've been thru.
I totally agree with your idea about the parents having to sit with their child (the bully's children), & I think that DYFS should be called in whether they sit with their child or not. Maybe just maybe then the parents will take better control of their child or if they can't take control of their child they will get the help they need to take care of the child & stop him/her from becoming a bigger problem than just bulling.

Deb Fein

12:02 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

I have sent this article and the one about the referendum with comments including mine to our HS building Principal. Thought she might find it enlightening.

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Paul Umrichin

12:55 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

I think that these two should have come out saying they wanted to reword the anti-bullying law and not rescind it. As the law stands it is very open in wording and certain acts that aren't bullying could be taken as bullying. It would be easier to pass an amendment to the legislation than to remove and recreate it.

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Keith Jensen

9:39 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

We did not write this article, nor were we interviewed for it. The word choice of "rescind" was not ours. Equally, in the article you'll read below, where again a different author made a play on our words, whereby we did not say "scrap" in our press release:
http://www.politickernj.com/51886/assembly-candidates-say-they-will-work-scrap-huttles-bullying-bill#.TqGzSaj9h68.facebook

This is a very touchy subject and we are in full support of the concept of the Bill, but its implementation of it is poor, and oddly rushed during campaign season to say the least.

We said it should be "suspended" until so it does not further confuse everyone who is affected by it.

Incidentally our statement came out before The Bergen Record printed the article titled, "Bullying Law Called Vague". I guess even The Bergen Record received some grief, because the Title, as aforementioned in an earlier post of mine, was changed when published online to become, "Educators, Teachers Take Part in Anti-Bullying Workshop". (See attached)

That is so much softer and politically correct I presume.

Al Norton

6:52 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Repeal the law.You cannot legislate against some child calling another child "fatso".
Nor can you legislate against a child asking a child - are you Muslim? and upon an affirmative response,ask "are you going to kill me".The latter being despicable and an actual example reported through a school chain here in Bergen County.You cannot legislate against ignorance.Isn't that what Education is for?

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Art Elmers

7:54 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Al, if you ever had a chance of earning my vote, you can now forget it. As someone who still suffers from the beatings I received in school over forty years ago and the resulting spinal surgery, I feel that this law (or some improved version) is needed. If it prevents teachers, principals, and administrators from ignoring "boys will be boys" events, then it will have worked. If it protects one child from having to hear "if he can't defend himself, too bad" after asking for help in dealing with a bully four years older and a foot taller, it is worth it.
For those that believe that abuse in school doesn't happen, call me. I will gladly show you the scars.
Al, good luck next time.

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Yun-Liu

8:51 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

@Art Elmers... Sorry about your unfortunate situation. The question for you is... Where were your parents when you were getting beatings by bullies?

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David Sarnoff

8:52 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Well said Art. All these people are very tough on the backs of vulnerable kids. They just don't get it.

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Al Norton

9:09 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Art-we disagree, and I am sorry for your experience.Note that I don't believe for one minute that violence doesn't occur in schools.Our disagreement is on its remedy.
Regards

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Art Elmers

8:15 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

My parents were by my side when we heard the "If he can't defend himself,too bad" quote and were with me as we worked our way up higher into the administration.
By the time action was taken, it was too late, the damage was already done.
And that is my point. If concrete action was required by law when it started, there was a real chance that I would not feel the pain I feel this and every morning.
I agree that I don't want the government running every facet of my life, but I do want there to be a downside for those in society charged with the safe education of our children if they fail to take any action when bullies attack. Or more importantly act before bullies bloom.

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Yun-Liu

9:10 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

I understand your point Art and I sympathize with you. I am from the old school and I was bullied myself and my mother was told the same thing "If he can't defend himself,too bad". My mother went balistic and was at the school every day looking for the bully's parents until she caught one of them, of course the parent was no different than the child and smacked my mother right in front of me. My mother in return called the police, pressed charges and ruined there lives from that day forward. Everytime we seen them off school ground we called the cops. That may not work now but it sure worked back then in the 70s.

Now they should make the parent come up to the school and sit with their bullying children, so that parent can suffer the raft of the victim.

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Keith Jensen

10:41 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

Empower teachers and admonish the parents, but the implementation of this is costly, unclear and rushed. Our litigious society caused this problem with too many laws worrying/barring educators from intervention.
If our opponents talked about anything other than their Bill, we would not have to respond to it, yet they won't even recognize the Abbott ruling is out of date. The simplest example is that Hoboken (where Eli Manning and a former Governor reside) is an Abbott District, yet no part of our District is; including the overcrowded Ft.Lee, Englewood, Hackensack, nor Teaneck.
Property taxes are the #1 problem in NJ. Democrats presented a movie tax credit where they were allowed to have a 'campaign' conference inside my old high school. (Sarlo and Weinberg are not the Senators for Fort Lee right now), yet I am tossed out of the Senior Center when I visit, while the Democrats are welcome to sit and have lunch with Seniors.
Address bullying, but the erred school funding formula IS the main issue, FSF would lower property taxes by 1/3rd and bring more $ to our school districts.
Watch our press conference today at Noon in Trenton on this, or come take part. Again, this Bill costs nothing?... Really? Really! We have so much to reference on this. Come to our debate on Tues night, 6PM at the Fort Lee Public Library. For more on bullying, here is one link, although I have many many more references: http://www.schoolbullyingcouncil.com/bullying-law-tough-on-school-districts/

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William Mays

6:21 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011

Yeah, lets let 5 more kids kill themselves and then have a "complete" bill.

Howard L. Pearl

11:53 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

Bullying in schools will never be 100% eliminated. It is tragic that children may be berated by the “in-crowd”, or the “jocks” or denigrated with racial or ethnic slurs. With three children in school, I am concerned like every parent. This is a highly volatile issue.
First, the legislation’s timing; Valerie Huttle is running for reelection and sponsors a good “PR” bill. With school budget’s being slashed, additional expenses out of the operating budget are going to be painful and are going to result in either loss of staff, equipment, or services in other areas. Schools are not receiving any supplementary funding for anti-bullying programs.
Second, this bill was put forth as a result of the Rutgers University tragedy. It is unlikely that this type of bill would have prevented that horrific incident. It was a malicious prank by a student with a perverted image of the world.
Education to students regarding bullying is not new. It has been going on for years; it just was not formally legislated. Any legislation that prevents even one child from being bullied cannot be considered a negative. But weighing the pros and cons of this legislation, I’m uncertain that results will meet expectations.
Finally, asking Mr. Elmers the question “where were his parents” is insulting and ignorant. Parents have limitations; often the children are too embarrassed or afraid to even tell the parents. A little common courtesy is indicated.

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Howard L. Pearl

2:32 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011

Opinionator: Your assessment of bullying is flawed. All bullying does not have physical manifestations. Forcing a child to cede lunch money; homophobic remarks; ethnic slurs; put-downs on appearance or size; are all forms of bullying. A child might very well be too ashamed to tell his/her parents. I do not fail to recognize what bullies are; I don’t think that you can lump all bullies under the term “criminal”, however.
We do agree on the fact that Bergen County schools should provide a safe environment; however, it must also provide a high quality learning environment.
As for your final comment, you are way off target. About a month ago, I wrote a blog on the Fort Lee Patch that called for an overturning of the Abbott Decision, which I described as a total waste, i.e. donating money to the “black holes of education”. If we did not have to send our tax dollars to the Abbott Districts, we might actually have money in our budget, not only to address bullying, but to actually purchase new books and lab equipment, or to hire more teachers and aides.

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Yun-Liu

4:07 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011

one who inflicts physical harm to another to me, is considered a criminal, not the ones that tease and call names. You, me and everyone else have made from of someone at least once in our lives, would we categorize that as bullying. Comments about homos, race, etc. is a so what. If I called you bald (and you were bald) and said your head needs some grease, would that mean I am bullying you?

Maybe we should not let children watch television because that's all that's on nowadays, turn channel 31, you'll agree.

Art Elmers

3:41 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011

The point that I am trying to get across is that instead of waiting to react to the physical manifestations of bullying, our society, including parents, must have the tools and responsibility to deal with the future bully just starting to develop.
It is like watching a mystery about a serial killer. When talking about the early childhood of a suspect it is revealed that the suspect tortured and killed kittens.
Ahha, reacts the shows psychiatrist. A sure indicator of a future serial killer.
I am not saying that we are breeding serial killers in our schools but we must all be aware of the warning signs and learn how to stop bullying before it leads to violence.

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Yun-Liu

4:08 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011

Now, this is something I agree with. Well said Art on your last sentence. Finding who the bullies are is an easy task.

Howard L. Pearl

9:23 am on Tuesday, October 25, 2011

Opinionator: For one who blogs anonymously, you have some strong comments. You mention the word “homo” quite often. Since the Rutgers suicide was a preemptor of this legislation, the topic needs to be on the table.
I cannot imagine how difficult it would be for a teenage child to be targeted as a homosexual. Parents often fear that their child will be “one of them”. So let’s not slough off the long lasting effects of this type of harassment.
You would like to separate bullying and criminality. Criminality in this case is taking bullying to the nth degree. That does not mean that we should condone bullying such as homosexual comments, ethnic slurs, etc. As for your “bald” innuendo, consider the case of the teenager who is losing his/her hair, i.e. disease related or hereditary. Are you saying you don’t believe that is bullying?
The one area in which you are correct is “parental involvement”. We let parents off the hook a little too easily. Not everyone is fit to be a parent, and it seems like of lot of parents out there made the wrong choice; they should have chosen celibacy and saved all of us a lot of grief.

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Yun-Liu

6:05 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011

We can agree and disagree about any and everything under the sun, that's what makes things so interesting. Almost everything can be considered harassment including our opinions.

About teenagers confused about their sexuality nowadays, it is what it is, and called what it is. You misinterpret my comments, I mentioned that there is a new breed of teens and that new breed is homosexual or whatever scientific name anyone wants to give it. And I find, as having family members who are homosexuals that they are being "criminally bullied" that this new age epidemic (call it as you wish) is probably suffering the most.

Glad you agree with "parental involvement".

Yun Lum Liu

9:21 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

It was a pleasure chatting/blogging with everyone. Have a wonderful evening :0)

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Jack B Goode

6:30 pm on Saturday, November 5, 2011

If 2 kindergarten children argue over a toy and one pushes another ,under this law, that must be reported to the designated Anti-bullying administrator and the Principal,then after conducting an investigation,he or she must prepare and submit a written report to the Board of Ed ,the State Education Department and who knows who else.the Post Office?God?.
Lawmakers show a lack of confidence and trust in educators by mandating what is already part of their job. And to add insult to injury, it is an unfunded mandate! Will it deter or stop a troubled student from committing suicide? Sadly this might add to the problem because the school personnel will be so bogged down with the every normal interaction of students with one another that they might miss an opportunity to help a child that really needs help.

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Keith Jensen

10:00 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012

Anybody notice that Ridgewood of all towns says the Anti-Bullying Law needs to be scraped? Heck, that is a lot further than John and I went. We simply said two things: 1. It is vague. 2. It will be very expensive.
The Bergen Record's story:
http://www.northjersey.com/news/137252293_2_districts_fighting_bully_law.html

Sad to think the handful of bloggers on this Patch thought we came out against this because we were running for office. On the contrary, that was not the reason.

It just so happened that Assemblywoman Huttle forced her Bill through during her campaign and she would never speak to the erred school funding formula.

Now, not only has the Bergen Record echoed our position against this egregious Law, but even Ridgewood where this new Law sadly originated from concurs.

We loudly say that bullying needs to be addressed, but this Law is not the way to do it. No one asked us what our solution was; sadly, instead everyone wanted to make it a political issue and the bloggers were blinded by the sensitivity of the topic.

So, now we have this Law. Where does the Fort Lee Board of Education stand on it? Will the leadership join the likes of Ridgewood and three dozen other towns, or will our teachers burden this new law while we pay for it?

A 2nd reference from The Herald News that also says the Law is not right:
http://www.northjersey.com/news/opinions/137337903_Show_some_patience_with_bullying_law.html

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DMAB6395

11:38 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Keith-why would you wait from October 2011-until Jan. 2012 before you decide to com on here & comment on this issue?

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Keith Jensen

1:28 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012

The Bullying Law is weakening and Assemblywoman Huttle is buckling. Strengthen the existing Law by addressing the following points:
A. It was an unfunded mandate (subsequent to the Law, it was proven to be an unfunded mandate). Yes, I told you so. That was the point of John and I, not that it was a bad bill. Too bad the voters did not recognize that.
B. The definition of ‘bully’ is not defined enough and the broad net captures too many innocent kids and causes a burden on the investigators. (I am still requesting a clearly defined description for 'bully' from our legislators.)
C. Bullies are often groomed from home, so the Law should tie in parents as an accountable measure of bullies in some way. Simply put, there is not enough teeth in the new law to fix the problem that stems from home.
http://www.newarkadvocate.com/article/20120213/OPINION01/202130311/Anti-bullying-efforts-start-home

How would you suggest to define item B and address Part C?

This Law must address the Parents of the bullies.
http://fortlee.patch.com/articles/new-wording-new-funding-to-keep-anti-bullying-on-the-books-4d393cd6

As opposed to just creating a larger bureaucracy to police the Law and create more rules, which in the end will only help the new public workers instead of helping the poor bullied children.

In the meantime, Assemblywoman Huttle has only demonstrated that she is using it as a political tool instead of addressing the main aforementioned issues.

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Keith Jensen

12:59 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Assemblywoman Huttle lied. The anti-bully law would not cost the school districts anything she said. Additionally, the anti-bully law was not defined; consequenly, the teachers are not able to clearly execute a plan to address the problem.

http://englewood.patch.com/articles/by-the-numbers-nj-anti-bullying-bill-of-rights-eeeca0b9

She was given a blank check at the childrens' expense AND paid for by our property taxes which more than 60% are sent toward school funding. This blank check was endorsed by the voters that elected her. Now it is time to call her out on her lies to get elected.

http://fortlee.patch.com/articles/fort-lee-republican-state-assembly-candidate-pushes-for-fair-school-funding

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