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Obama: U.S. Troops To Leave Iraq By Year's End

President Obama says Iraq War, one of the longest and costliest in U.S. history, to end in December.

 

President Obama announced Friday he will withdraw all American troops from Iraq by the end of the year, bringing to a close a nine-year war that killed 78 New Jersey residents, at least 14 of whom were Army and Marine Corps servicemen from Bergen and Passaic Counties.  

The United States had previously agreed to exit Iraq by the end of the year and leave 3,000 to 5,000 troops in Iraq as trainers, but after failed negotiations with the Iraqi government, as little as 150 troops will remain in the Middle Eastern country. The current military presence in Iraq stands at just under 40,000. 

After a private video conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, Obama told reporters at the White House Friday that he had kept his 2008 campaign promise to end the war in Iraq, adding that the U.S. should focus instead on building up its economy at home. 

"As promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year," Obama said. "After nearly nine years, America's war in Iraq will be over."

More than 4,400 American military members, 78 of whom were from New Jersey, have been killed since the U.S. and its allies invaded Iraq in March 2003. 

Fourteen residents from Bergen and Passaic Counties - serving in the Army and the Marine Corps - were killed in the conflict. Ranging in age from 19 to 51, the men hailed from Little Ferry, Carlstadt, Emerson, Lodi, Waldwick, and River Vale, as well as Paterson, West Milford, Little Falls and Passaic.  For a complete list of New Jersey's dead, visit the NYTimes' interactive feature, Faces of the Dead, or Vet Friends' list of military personnel who died in Iraq since the start of the war. NJ.com also compiled profiles of New Jersey's Iraq War casualties.

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Hank

10:49 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

are they coming "home" or deployed to other places

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Harlan Consider

11:34 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

They will almost certainly go to Afghanistan as the redeployment rate there is taking its toll.

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carol simon

4:35 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

No strategy, in my humble opinion, all political!

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zizi

2:48 am on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Obama is a big dud...... I am so sorry I wasted my time and money to help elect him........ never again........

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stewart resmer

5:13 am on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Zizi..the Obama administration has lived up to every task responsibly that it has assumed since 8 yrs of Buscho's abject failure. From the highest defecit in the history of the world this administration has picked up the issues and ran with them putting The People's agenda first.
Not the least of those is a war based on a pack of lies that has squandered the nations future for generations yet unborn.
As a candidate, President Obama pledged to put an end to this misadventure, and now the time has come where he has set the timetable that will bring America's forces home. The majority of the American people have been voicing their disapproval of the matter for some time now and Mr Obama has acted.

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zizi

12:00 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

I am a registered Democrat who worked hard and gave money to help him get to where he is. Obama has done something... but candidate Obama and president Obama are not even cut from the same cloth......... The guy sold Liberals/progressives short..... often giving away his trump card before sitting on the table....... He will not be getting my support this time........ He has spend more money than all 3 previous presidents combined..... and we are still in a hole..... and will be unless something drastic can be done...... which Obama has clearly shown he is not capable of doing.

Ricky

5:00 am on Sunday, October 23, 2011

It is about time! We never learn. After so many years and spending so much money and so many casualties defending South Vietnam, it made not a bit of difference in its future. We didn't learn a thing. We also didn't learn that other nations never help with their fair share of troops and the enormous costs. Any wonder we head toward bankruptcy.

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georgeg

8:14 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Ricky..."..defending South Vietnam"...I don't think so!!....."..Other nations never help with their fair share of troops."...whatever they provide is subsidized by us. The bottom line is that there is no purpose to WAR....(and I contributed more than my fair share)...

robert

6:28 am on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Stewart,if you believe in that statement you made about Obama then I have a bridge you can buy very cheap

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BellairBerdan

8:45 am on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Obama's foreign and military policy has been stellar, from the Somali pirates to killing the top terrorists and deposing tyrants with no American casualties. What is different between that and his handling of the economy? He didn't have to capitulate to the Republicans in his foreign policy. They couldn't filibuster that. Just imagine what he could do with jobs without the Republicans standing in his way. I know I won't be rewarding any Republican with my vote for their stopping the recovery of America.

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georgeg

8:22 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

BellairBerdan...Let me remind you that the Somali pirates were nothing more than a gang of teen age kids with nothing to lose...the top terrorists we seem to kill on a daily basis are nameless thugs who don't deserve the billions we expend on them......deposing tyrants that we have supported for countless years is not something to brag about. Let's be logical about our military superiority and compare our strength to our supposed enemies. The balance compared to the results is laughable....

carol simon

9:58 am on Sunday, October 23, 2011

" Just imagine what he could do with jobs" I don't want to imagine as his record is grim!

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Ricky

1:31 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Under the George W. Bush administration, our deficit rose by trillions so there's plenty of blame to go around in both parties. This deficit continues to ruin the economy with the interest alone a factor hurting jobs.

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BellairBerdan

2:47 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Maybe you didn't see my complete my sentence, carol. "Just imagine what he could do with jobs without the Republicans standing in his way. " It has to be difficult when Mitch McConnell, the Senate Minority Leader's "single most important goal" is not jobs for the American people but to stop Obama's re-election. It was easier to find and kill Bin Laden than get their cooperation on anything.

Rich Seibel

7:43 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

From one side of his mouth he ends a war and from the other side of his mouth he escalates. Last week the US sent 100 armed military "Advisors" to Uganda. Call them what you will it is obvious what is going to happen next.

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georgeg

8:24 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

New emphasis on AFRICOM Command......being geared up at a rapid pace....

Rich Seibel

9:26 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

This story is buried very deep and is not being covered by the media

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MARIO SICARI

9:28 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

zizi couldnt agree with you more...we were all fooled by change you can believe in...and Stewart with all due respect you can continue to be a zombia and believe the rhetoric...the President who I respect has not kept his promise to change Washington,,,he has expanded it with more lobbyist and more special interest...when bush took this country into two un-necessary conflicts and borrowed money from china for a failed foreign policy...The President had every opportunity to change course, instead he has escalated by entering into Libya and now Ugnada...we can no,longer police tthe world and change regimes,,,we are broke and it does not serve this country to do so...

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stewart resmer

10:19 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Mario-A NATO Libyan operation addressed heavy weapons being loosed on civilian populations, with the French and English nations participating in concert with the US, no US ground troops are reported by any news sources as having laid boots on the ground there. On several dates civilain manned rescue vessels from other nations were targeted while evacuating the wounded. The US Navy played no reported active role in counter artillery actions.
The murderous rampage in Uganda and the deployment of US advisors is hardly the stuff of escalation, the fact is we are not sure what the role of these advisors is at this juncture. One thing is for certain, any assistance to the victims of this rogue band of criminals is moraly justified, and I for one am proud that this nation will respond to such despicable individuals.
This nation is in stark economic straights because of the 8yrs of Bushco ineptitude and the GOP enablers accepts absolutely no responsibility for it what so ever, but the US is not uniquely affected, the world markets have shuddered as well.
This administration has responded to these challenges with all due diligence and speed, and as it has taken 8yrs for the accumulated damage to the economy to manifest itself it will take a reasonable period to mitigate it.
It is the GOP party of NO who are the zombies.

MARIO SICARI

5:52 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

@stewart. Sounds great. You appearing on MSHBC or CNN. NATO is broke. It is our military budget that is supporting the same Bush doctrine of Obama. There is no need with our deficits to continue to borrow from china to continue natiob building when will you realize we are broke.

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stewart resmer

7:33 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

Mario? The whole world is broke if we are to take the evening news reports in to account, but this time around NATO marshaled their forces and protected the Libyan civilian populations from its own armed forces. and yesterday the transition government declared the nation of Libya is liberated.
No US troops were killed or injured, because no US troops were ever deployed, except for one incident when an aircraft crashed due to a mechanical failure and the US aviators walked out with the help and gratitude of the indigenous peoples, calling them brothers.
In the days since the end of the hunt for Gaddafi, the Libyan ambassador has heaped praise upon the Obama administration for doing 'the right thing', as he also thanked the American people, while at the same time the evening news showed jubilent Libyans waving the stars and stripes at large gatherings.
In this example the US was not the worlds policeman but rather in concert with its treaty with NATO, the US played a part in a combined effort that stopped a blood bath.
In this way NATO lived up to its charter, and a 40 year nightmare was ended. Regardless of the cost in treasure.

MARIO SICARI

6:21 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

What makes me laugh is when we speak of foreign policy in this country??? Who are we kidding, we borrow from china, take billions from a rich country only to transfer it to rich people in poor countries...the military budget should be cut in half. m

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georgeg

8:17 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

stewart....you have a pollyana view of what actually took place in Libya.....The Libyan Ambassador is on our payroll....the jubilent Libyans???? give me a break....a 40 year nightmare??? you need to learn more about the history of Libya....Please do not interpret reality through the eyes of the evening news....

stewart resmer

9:54 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

georg, do you have a relationship with real live Libyan nationals, I do, a 30 year one, I think I have a better handle on the matter than you give me credit for...

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georgeg

11:32 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

Stewart.....I respect your relationships. But please take a look at the results of what was considered humanitarian assistance.....

MARIO SICARI

10:19 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

Stewart. I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of military intervention. Drones belong to us and just because there are no boots doesnt mean the military budget isnt running a tab. If your democratic thumping includes the obama doctrine great. I am and always will be against any type of miitary action especially in the middle east. Yopu can either agree or disagree please do not debate me on justifying it.

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stewart resmer

11:33 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

ex-squeeze me? you were the one who reponded to my post with your cohort? your pacifism is yours to hold, I make no quarrel with that as you do mine, I am sure you would make a fine medic for a Marine line company when the bullets fly, so far as my interpritation of deployment, no US troops were to have been reported to have ever set foot in Libya during the fighting though Sec o State Clinton landed in a C-17, the sort of which evacuate the wounded regularly, and bring in critical medical supples around the globe 24-7, running up a tab as you call it, saving lives at all cost and peril as I view it.
The same C 17 that I an sure spirited out criticaly injured 'middle easterners' as you would deny humanitarian assistance then?
You seem to live in an insulated myopic universe in the a world that has grown ever closer and connected as ever, where as JFK once said, 'we do these things not because they are easy, but because they are difficult'.
Perhaps an email to the Whtiehouse.gov is a better target for your contrary views?

MARIO SICARI

10:46 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

Stewart...rampage?? there have been cases of murderous rampages in North Korea, Syria, Iran, Somalia...why is it you justify the actions when the President and his administartion decide where military actions need to be taken...as the Obama Administration stated in the past we can not be the only country in the world who lead the battle for freedom...NATO is 60% funded by our tax dollars and with the financial meltdown occuring in Europe it will be soon more than that, if we dont stop spending money on nation building...and do me a favor, if you know anything about me, I was as critical Bush as I am with the current administration...it is all a game and you are led to believe one party has your back over the other...I have news for you politicians dems and reps alike are intrested in one thing...getting elected and staying in office...when you realize it, your statements will be your own and not refrabricated form the evening news...

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stewart resmer

11:45 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

soooo..you are a Gadaffi loyalist sympathizer who is angry NATO took action and want the carnage to continue elswhere in the world unabated then? Is that right?
I dont know, nor really care to, you have responded with your views as I have mine, my thoughts and views are my own, Obama-Biden are the right men at precisely the right time in history in the right place to project the correct moral leadership in substitute of the abject BUSHCO fiasco...

REResident

11:03 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

For the folks that are influenced by the evening news of the demo-craps and republi-cants, look at where this nation is going between the last few administrations. The government's interest is no longer for the citizens but their own egos and need to stay in office. Time to bring all our troops home, close the borders and heal ourselves. Afghanistan's president's statement just confirms that world leaders do not care for us, just our money.

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stewart resmer

11:53 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

Ulisis I could not agree with you more or said it any better, except to add that candidate Obama pledged he would end the war in Iraq and he has certainly lived up to that pledge, and that the Biden-Gelb plan ratified by a bi partisan vote during the period of grid lock (that the GOP stubbornly reasserts to this day) provided for a blue print for a better Iraq, where resources and revenues were to be re distributed equally among the provinces there, and local autonomy would be installed with a loose federation of a weaker central gvt, was offered up as an alternative to what had been the reality of Iraq under the tyrant.
Today Iraq has an opportunity to make form a more perfect union and iof they do not, it will not be because of the Obama administration bringing an end to a US presence.

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MARIO SICARI

1:52 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011

Ok its obvious you want your guy re elected simply because he is your guy. I for one thought three years ago we were getting hope and change. We were on a path to change washington a new transparent govt. It seems everyone here is arguing that bush was herendous. Conceded. We know he was. Bush was horrible. If that is a reason to re elect President obama, I have one question. Is our economy better today than 3 years ago. I do not think the independents who overwhelming supported him in 2008 will support in 2012 for reasons I have stated. He will not carry fl or pa.

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Tee Smyth

2:54 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011

Who is the viable alternative?

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Ulises

3:00 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011

Mr. Sicari, you are probably right about Florida; PA & Ohio are still up in the air. I just want people to remember where we came from and to realize we're in this political stagnation because the teapublican agenda is to make Obama a one term president - at all cost! The downgrade by S&P was politically driven, it cost their CEO his job. S&P is owned by McGraw Hill and its chairman, McGraw III, was in the Bush administration - Fitch and Moody didn't downgrade us??? Therefore, in my opinion, that downgrade was politically motivated because the other agency didn't follow suit. The teapublicans are playing with our lives because their agenda is to make Obama look bad at all and at our cost. Here’s what the top teapublican from the senate, Mitch McConnell, pathetically said on the record: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” With all we’re going through as a nation that’s their single most important thing? How are things going to hopefully change for the good like Obama promised if we have to deal with this obstructionist teapublican point of view?

Harlan Consider

3:12 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011

Ulises:

Please. Your political naivity is hopeless. Do the Republicans want to make Obama a one-term president? Of course they do. Hello, the sky is also blue. Did the Democrats also try their best to make Bush a no-term, 1-term President? Of course they did.

This is politics, and this is how it works. To suggest that "your" party is the party of all that's good in the world and the "other" party as all that's wrong, is simply being naive. By all means support the party that more closely resembles your beliefs, but let's be honest about politics, whether it be on the national level, or the Village of Ridgewood.

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Ulises

3:36 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011

NealR2000, all I am giving you are facts and my own opinion. I'm not here to make any judgments on those that wish to comment on this site. Please, don't call me naïve again. I know very well how politics work - at all levels. Let’s be respectful to all and not labels people because you may have a different point of view, that's just being rude.

georgeg

4:13 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011

Libya has confirmed every skeptic's worst fears that in practice, the "responsibility to protect" is little more than a pretext for toppling vulnerable governments.
If it were anything else than a pretext, then we'd also see our governments act on their "responsibility to protect" thousands of human beings who die every day from hunger and simple diseases.
Strangely, there is always enough money for war, and never enough for anything else. But what is money?

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Ricky

4:18 am on Tuesday, October 25, 2011

"pretext for toppling vulnerable governments"..? are you kidding us? This dictator hijacked the country decades ago and ruled with fear and also with the help of his personal armed soldiers who feared they would be killed if not loyal to him. Sound familiar like Iraq, Iran, North Korea and so forth? Finally people organized themselves more and had the courage to uprise against him but needed the help of NATO to topple his regime. As for hunger and diseases throughout the world, that's a whole different issue that needs attention.

georgeg

7:22 am on Tuesday, October 25, 2011

Ricky....I see that your knowledge does not go further than having been weaned by the evening news.......

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stewart resmer

8:23 am on Tuesday, October 25, 2011

georg? weened by the eveing news? come on, will Ya? Puleezz, so nows its the evening news spreading dis information on a whole sale bassis for public consumption, and FOX news is what?
The troops are coming homw after a mis adventure brought to you by BUSHCO and the enablers like Colin Powell who went before the UN and delivered a doctrine based on a pack of lies! And thousands died.
Speak to me now Goerg of the lies there in, not the spin you would have the rest of us believe?
War is over, Peace is breaking out all over as each tyrant falls.

Carol Lynne

12:26 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011

First, I am happy for our troops and their families that they are coming home but let’s get something straight here:

1) It was Bush who originally set the combat troop withdraw date by 12/31/11 in a 2008 agreement with the Iraqi’s.

2) The Obama administration has been pushing for them to stay longer but

3) Obama is now withdrawing ALL of our troops from Iraq not because he promised to but because he FAILED at negotiations in getting immunity for our US soldiers (a standard agreement).

Without immunity he had no other choice BUT to remove all troops. Now he is trying to spin it as a campaign promise fulfillment.

This is ultimately a win for Iraq and Iran - not for Obama and not for the US in the long run. So now the military training troops that were supposed to remain will be replaced by private contractors.

Lastly, I am glad that our SEAL’s killed Osama but has it really made any difference? Not really. It was purely a symbolic killing.

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MARIO SICARI

1:53 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011

Ulises...The President had a democratic congress and democratic senate for two years...he ran center right as a candidate after he was elected he drifted center left, and that is what caused the emergence of the tea party...had he followed what he campaigned on, had he focused on creating jobs, had he put a staff together focused on accomplishing th ework of a better washington to serv eits people and not special interest...his approval rating amoung independents, not tea party followers woul dbe soaring...three economic advisors, Summers, Roemer and Goldsbee, resigned...what does that tell you, no one leaves an administration unless you feel you are not being heard, or you feel it doesnt matter what you throw against the wall, the rest of the administration is not on board...The President is viewing his approval numbers andd beleives he can steal the election by pushing hard left and creating class warfare...Independent voters elect Presidents...I believe President Obama will have a difficult time winning key battle ground states...regardless how passionate we feel about him...those are emotional comments from irrational democrats, vying for their guy...I am neither republican or democrat...I vote for integrity...I have yet to see it

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georgeg

5:15 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011

Stewart....What in God's name are you smoking or drinking???.....

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Harlan Consider

7:38 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011

Stewart: The decision to invade Iraq was supported by the majority of Americans, and the majority of our politicians. Was the intel we relied upon flawed? Of course it was. Was it "lies"? There has not been a single shred of actual evidence to support that. As for the belief that Saddam possessed WMD's, this belief was held by our CIA, former President Clinton, and just about every other intelligence service throughout the world, including the Russians, the French, the British, and even the Saudis. Even Saddam himself wanted everyone to believe he had them, and only started denying it when we were on the verge of attack. Even without WMD's, in a post 9/11 world, I believe our interests warranted an invasion based upon Saddam's support of suicide bombers, his prior invasion of Kuwait, and his constant defiance of the no-fly zone (including his attempts at shooting down U.S. patrol aircraft). What was badly interpreted was the exit strategy. I think we all felt that regime change would be easy (and it was), but the complex aftermath was a major blunder.

So. Those lies. Care to back those allegations up?

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georgeg

7:47 pm on Tuesday, October 25, 2011

NealR....every one of your assumptions like swiss cheese is full of holes....all are myths promoted by our friendly neocons. Intelligence is not supposed to be flawed...there is not a single quote attributed to Russian intelligence to support any intelligence argument. As for the Brits, they were and still in our pockets. Read the followup MI-6 reports proclaiming the lies you support. Shooting down a U.S. patrol aircraft....what would you do if a foreign military aircraft was buzzing overhead in our North Jersey skies.. Get real!!!

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Harlan Consider

2:35 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

George: Please provide a link to support your accustation of lies being told. Also, your analogy of patrol aircraft being shot at in the Iraq no-fly zone to a foreign military aircraft flying over NJ is absurd. The aircraft patrolling the Iraq no-fly zones were U.S., British, and French, who did so in order to prevent Iraqi attacks on the Kurds and the Shiites. Was this no-fly zone "legal"? What's legal? The spinless and corrupt U.N. didn't give its blessing, but in the face of genocide, I believe we did the right thing.

MARIO SICARI

11:06 am on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

@Ulises...I am not interested in someones view points of tying what happened on 9/11 to IRAQ...we could draw many conclusions...one specifically... that Saudi Arabia by bank rolling Osama Bin Laden... should we have also attacked and over thrown them???...what about IRAN???..do you remember GW Bush Doctrine and axisis of evil...it was plan devised by Rumsfeld..and it was not the correct course, we successfully did nothing but further distatbalized an already de stabalized region.the bottom line is it is impossible to export our culture into that part of the world...it is divided by religious beliefs and has been hostile to our western cultures for decades...the only way we could defeat them is one way...ADOPT A NATIONAL ENERGY POLICY and do not send billions of dollars to them for oil...we currently import 25% of the worlds national resources, in as much we do not import much of that oil from the middle east, we contiue to use our military to protect the flow of oil from the middle east to other parts of the world...we have impowered these rouge nations and they use the profits of their oil exploration to export terrorism against western civilizations

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MARIO SICARI

4:10 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

Ulyses, in as musch as we are in agreement, iraq was an opportunity for a war mongering GW. If terrorist were present in iraq they were also present in yemen as well as saudia arabia. My cynicism of US foreign policy has led me to believe our government officials, undermine its citizens and covienently reports,leaks falsified information to justify its global actions. Should we have hunt down and destroyed the group for 9/11??? Without a doubt. Our technological advances were no match for them in afghanistan. What prevented the focus of apprehension was the ideoligical belief mr bush was put on this earth as the worlds savior, it was impossible for our military to succeed fighting a two front assault in a theater which our military experts under estimated the landscape and adversaries

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georgeg

5:05 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

Ulises...interesting that you should mention Mearsheimer and Walt.....My question during the past 40 years is who dictates U.S. FOREIGN POLICY.....The answer is quite clear. Say all you want about Bush and company, but their gray matter was not responsible for the events in the Middle East. The AIPAC directed policy continues to this day....BTW, Stephen Walt is worth following on his blog in Foreign Policy magazine. I'm afraid that the mainstream media shies away from discussing the whys and wherefores. Note, that the same players are always passing their "expert" comments on all facets of our foreign policy. The truth is very well hidden....and this is not conspiratorial talk....Mario, you are almost there.....

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georgeg

5:15 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

NealR, Genocide is an abused term. Where was the outcry when father Bush deserted the Shiites. Please familiarize yourself with tribal cultures. The "no fly zone" then and the "no fly zone" now in Libya suited a military objective that created more civilian destruction. Good guys today and bad guys tomorrow suits objectives which are not clearly discussed in the mainstream media. Spare me the time of providing you links to the reality taking place. Educate and inform yourself by learning how to research instead of being handed material on a silver platter. If you have not made those discoveries by now, you never will.....

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georgeg

5:54 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

Ulises....It is worth noting that our State Department and U.S. Foreign Policy advisors have all been followers of Leo Strauss (Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Robert Kagan, Paul Wolfowitz, et al). The Straussian philosophy was very key in our dealings with Central America in the '50's.. Let us all not forget that the Trotskyites of the 30's and '40s morphed into the neocons of the 50's to now. We do know who was behind PNAC (Project for a New American Century).. Too many names, too many facts..
And let us not forget good old Henry Kissinger

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georgeg

6:16 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

It’s official: capturing someone alive and quickly executing them, then parading the corpse around on TV 24 hours is “a good thing”. It’s hard to know who the winner was, but the BBC, ITV, Sky and a number of other British channels have gone all out the last few days to prove who’s the best at gloating over the murder of Gaddafi (after he was dragged through the streets and sodomized with a knife). Following the alleged “death” of bin Laden and the drone strike which killed Anwar al-Awlaki, and the many other victims of the West’s extrajudicial killings (a tactic increasingly in favour as the “War of Terror” rolls into its eleventh year) it should come as little surprise to people when, once again, the nations which claim to be the strictest adherents to the rule of law bend the rules to the point of breaking when it comes to justifying their own killings.

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Ricky

3:29 am on Thursday, October 27, 2011

"""capturing someone alive and quickly executing them, then parading the corpse around on TV 24 hours is “a good thing”"""" Why aren't you also mentioning the executions that Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, and other dictators in Iran, Syria carried out against civilians in the past and are still on going in some places? Why not me

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Ricky

3:34 am on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Why not mention Assad killing innocent civilians who want a dictator to leave because they wanted a more democratic process.

georgeg

6:20 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

NealR....here is a harmless You Tube link which may add a bit of knowledge: General Wesley Clark ( a semi-slouch)....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MMAONc7GeIc

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georgeg

7:25 am on Thursday, October 27, 2011

NealR....you obviously do not go beyond repeating spins and snippets from local newspapers......tell me about killing innocent civilians....have you ever seen a B52 straffing mission.....F16 missile attacks.....educate yourself by reading history, by analyzing and understanding the reality of what is taking place.....BTW, does your education go beyond the elementary grades????....tell me about public executions.....how about our "Saudi" friends, our friends in Yemen, Bahrain, et al....
What do you know about those places or are you waiting for the idiot tube to provide you with a 30 second graphic????

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Harlan Consider

9:31 am on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Still waiting for you to back up your allegation that Bush and Co. told lies. Stop going off on other tangents.

georgeg

11:40 am on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Stewart....George Galloway still kicks ass however our media does not recognize him.....
NealR...you must be some 12 year old kid who just doesn't get it. My comments follow a very linear approach.....You also did not catch General Clark's message...

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Harlan Consider

1:10 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

George Galloway? Don't make me laugh. He's a remarkably good debater but his political career hit the skids following his rants and his association with Saddam. The man's a traitor. As for Clark, I've seen that whole clip before. He seems like a man of good character, but just because he recounts his conversations with certain people in Government does not make a case of there being lies. Some evidence of poor judgement, maybe, but lies, absolutely not.

georgeg

12:05 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

NealR2000....FYI - Lukoil, a privately owned Russian oil company, has started drilling for oil near the Iraqi port city of Basra. Did Cheney get a finder's fee?.....I'm sure this is being covered by you local rag.....and BTW, is the 2000 your year of birth???...

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Harlan Consider

1:06 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

George: I'm still waiting for your proof. By the way, keep the insults coming. You were really doing quite well until you started resorting to name-calling. I actually thought I was engaging in an inteligent discussion, but I'm afraid not. I guess they have Internet service down at OWS. Stay warm.

georgeg

2:18 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

NealR2000....What insults??? You seem to be quite expert with OWS. I take objection to that?? I have nothing to prove you. You obviously need to be directed when it comes to knowledge. May I suggest checking the library. Galloway is more than a debater. His association with Saddam?? No different than Cheney's and Rumsfeld's. Also no different than McCain's and others relationship with Gaddafi...
Connect the "dots"......

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georgeg

2:44 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

NealR2000....In all seriousness, if you care to have a debate on foreign policy issues I will be more than happy to oblige. My sarcastic remarks were not meant to be insulting.
As far as OWS, I am a small businessman in the software technology field with a domestic as well as international client base....and if I had the time and energy would definitely participate with OWS.....Enjoy the weather....

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georgeg

3:24 pm on Friday, October 28, 2011

Stewart.....The Huffingtonpost (I'm sure) was meant as a joke......Let me tell you something about those who did the fighting.....They are so far removed from the political situation that their opinions pull no weight with me or anyone else. I am speaking from personal experience. It is very easy to glorify war and find purpose for lost causes, but the reality is that the ground troops are living drones just doing what they are told. Wrap yourself all you want with our Flag.....glorify those who served by making a better America for them by providing the social services and jobs they need on their return. Don't paint a Hollywood picture of their service (including mine).....

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stewart resmer

5:28 pm on Friday, October 28, 2011

uh-huh george, hows about you actually read the opinion from Votevets.org, you know, like the one shot in the face in Oakland?
Your disrespectful remark regarding veterans views speaks volumes about you.

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georgeg

5:10 pm on Friday, October 28, 2011

Thoungduc....brings back many memories......spent many months in the Central Highlands.....much to talk about if you want to hear about my experiences.....Will only discuss it privately.......as for now GI number 10.....

georgeg

6:01 pm on Friday, October 28, 2011

Stewart......How dare you....what has getting shot in the face have anything to do with the political situation.....you want to hear about getting shot....where where you between 1966 and 1969????? There is no badge of honor in getting shot at and being unlucky in getting hit.....are you asking me to join in the platitudes of serving in the military.....I've done my share...thus my anti-war views.......tell me about your experiences!!!!!....

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