Shalom Academy Money Could Go To Teaneck Classrooms
School officials seek meeting with state education chief.
School media center upgrades, new social studies textbooks and curriculum initiatives are some of the district projects that could benefit from the $1.4 million once allocated to cover tuition for students enrolled at the proposed Shalom Academy Charter School.
Still, Teaneck Board of Education President Ardie Walser cautioned the funds should not be viewed as extra money, as the district already made cuts to meet Shalom Academy’s requirements.
“These are just a few ways in which we can use these funds,” Walser said of the possible initiatives. “Please note that the $1.4 million are not additional funds but rather funds that were pulled from programs that were part of the original 2012 - 2013 Teaneck school budget.”
State officials denied a final approval Shalom Academy needed to open in the fall. Teaneck and Englewood were required to allocate tuition money for local students enrolled at the K-5 Hebrew immersion school.
Budgeting around Shalom was complicated when the district was told late in the process it needed to allocate funds for the charter school, Walser said. In February, after a school budget had been ratified, the district learned of the $1.4 million price tag it faced for Shalom Academy.
“The district then had to work this major deficit to the school budget into the funding equation,” Walser said in an email. “This reduction in funds has impacted negatively a number of the programs that were planned for the 2012 - 2013 academic year.”
Walser called the vetting for charter schools “very problematic” and said the district had offered input on Shalom Academy’s applications.
“The Teaneck school district had reviewed at least two proposals put forth by the founders of the Shalom Academy, at significant cost to the district in time and human capital,” Walser said. “Each time the district was overruled by the [Department of Education] in spite of the fact that the district had found the curriculum to be lacking in rigor and innovation.”
District officials are seeking to arrange a meeting with Acting Education Commissioner Chris Cerf, Walser said. No meeting date has been scheduled.
“The concept of charter schools was a grand idea that has been terribly misused,” he said. “It is my hope that we find a better way to work this mode of education into our educational system without destroying those things that currently work for a large number of our children and families.”
In all, state education officials approved nine new charter schools to open this fall and granted 13 others a year to prepare. Ten schools, including Shalom Academy, were rejected.
The Department of Education noted a new performance measure it will use to evaluate charter schools.
“Charter schools are granted autonomy in exchange for accountability, and we at the state level will continue to hold all charter schools accountable for results to ensure that they offer all students a high-quality education and an equality of opportunity,” Cerf said in a statement.
Shalom Academy’s founder has not responded to requests for comment. The school can re-apply for a charter by April 2013 or fight the state’s denial in court. A school representative has said all of Shalom Academy’s 160 seats were filled and some grades had waiting lists.
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shimon baum
10:31 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Yes keep throwing money at public schools, hasn't worked for the past 50 years but I'm sure it is bound to work one of these days.
Clark
2:28 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
While I don't have any kids in the public school system, we have many friends that do, and have been very pleased with the level of education provided here in Teaneck. Do you have any statistics on how badly the public schools here in Teaneck have failed to provide an education to its students?
MariJohn
6:44 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Two kids graduated from Teaneck public schools -- both going to top ranked colleges. Do not speak of that which you know nothing. Lies and smear tactics against the Teaneck public schools are just a tactic to de-fund them and ensure that only one segment of Teaneck's children can get a good education. Bottom line is a certain segment of Teaneck thinks they are the only ones who pay taxes in this town and that all the money should be for their use and benefit. When I moved to this town almost two decades ago it was a much friendly cohesive environment. That is no more because some are doing everything g in their power to try to make it impossible for anyone who is not of their religious persuasion to raise a family here.
zizi
11:48 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
These funds should go back to the tax payers.... This is absurd to spend when you were ready to live without........
Only in Teaneck...... you can just spend spend spend......
John Santaella
9:44 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Money was taken away from programs and set aside for Shalom Academy. That means our children were being short-changed. The money should go right back to the schools.
LaVerne
11:18 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
ZIzi -
I'm so sick of you and your little friends fussing about eveything. Especially the schools. Do you really know anything about the students, their success rate, their contributions to society? Do you know the school system first hand? Do you volunteer your time in the schools to help? It's clear that whatever school you went to you missed the BASIC. Let me just help you to understand....
-Money was taken away from public school programs, so money should be returned to the public schools.
-for a COMMUNITY TO SURVIVE, the SCHOOLS MUST SURVIVE!
-for our COUNTRY to SUCCEED, ALL OF OUR CHILDREN MUST SUCCEED !
- for ALL of OUR CHILDREN TO COMPETE they need to be EDUCATED!
- for ALL of OUR CHILDREN TO HEALTHY, WEALTHY & WISE, THEY NEED TO BE EDUCATED!
JamesTS
11:52 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
If it goes back to classroom programs (which I believe it should) then it is going to taxpayers!! Shimon Baum and Zizi: you just complain over everything. Maybe provide some constructive comments for once?
New textbooks seem very basic and students should have the materials they need. We are not talking about major "luxury" items here. Seems very fair to me!
change yourmind
3:27 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
I agree with you JamesTS. Obviously zizi and shimon baum have not seen the textbooks students are expected to reuse every year. So many complaints, why so hateful against public schooling? I look at all students public and private as OUR children. Why don't you two think about ways to help instead of constantly complaining.
zizi
12:05 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
JamesTS: it was ok to use the existing books...... now... the new books are essential?...... that does not look logical to me.....
We give constructive comments... just that your constructive is not what we consider constructive.... how is that asking for a tax refund is not constructive?
JAD
12:38 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Will these new text books cover the proper usage of ellipses? I would be willing to throw an extra five in to save others in the future.
The funds should go back to where they were pulled from initially with any overages set aside to cushion the upcoming budget.
Clark
2:32 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
I am just left wondering how anyone who was planning to open a school to educate children didn't have all his ducks in a row prior to requesting funding and being granted a charter. there's a reason it was denied.
MariJohn
6:49 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
The reason is that the true purpose is not to educate but to segregate!
John Santaella
9:46 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
My feeling is that they were just looking for a free pass. Do you wish to open a school? Raise money for your project.
Barbara Ley Toffler
3:27 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Since moving back to Teaneck eight years ago, it has been discouraging to hear the constant drumbeat of negativity about Teaneck Public Schools. Most of the statements I've heard are absolutely counter to what I have experienced visiting the schools, spending time with students, meeting with students to work on projects, getting to know some of the teachers and generally feeling proud of my alma mater. At my Class of 1959's 50th reunion three years ago, the high school arranged a tour and visit for 150 of my classmates. (A class member's brother who has a pizza shop provided the lunch). My 1959 classmates were wowed by the facilities -- labs, art rooms, etc., the arts, writing and athletic awards displays, the cleanliness of the building (including bathrooms), and most importantly, our guides, the extraordinary Teaneck High School students who led small group tours with the knowledge, maturity and charm of professional tour guides. It is interesting to note that all of the '59ers were white -- our 2 African-American classmates (!) were unable to be there -- and all our guides were of color, a fact discussed in some of the tour groups. Some of my classmates (who had heard negative comments about the Teaneck Public Schools), wondered, aloud, if many of the comments were related to the demographics of the students not their performance. I couldn't say. In 1959, a smaller percentage of students attended 4-year colleges than now. And Teaneck was the 2nd best school system in USA!
Karin Kiesow-Irvine
5:19 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Teaneck HS does not even rank in the top 100 schools anymore it used to as far back as the 80's. Why?
Tom Abbott
7:03 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I don't know what list of top 100 schools you're referring to, but whichever list, it is well to consider how these lists are created and what they measure. There is a New York Times article, "In Lists of Best High Schools, Numbers Don’t Tell the Whole Story" that is worth reading.
Only 3 NJ high schools make it into the Washington Posts top 100. The Newsweek/Daily Beast List there are 4. Only one school is in both top 100's.
Ivy Minkowitz
5:03 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
It's tough when the majority of Teaneck residents don't have kids going to the public schools. So budgets don't pass and things will never change but that's what the majority wants. They might get it.
MariJohn
6:48 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
What majority? That is a lie. A small religious vocal and politically connected minority does not a majority make. Because that group chooses not to send its children to public schools does not translate into a majority of residents not having kids in public schools. Do the math -- the numbers don't lie.
Tom Abbott
5:43 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Actually the statement that "the majority of Teaneck residents don't have kids going to public schools" is true, but than the majority of Teaneck residents don't have kids going to any school. Less than 35% of Teaneck households had children of public school age according to the 2000 census.
On the other hand of those residents whose children go to school at the kindergarten through high school level the majority of children still attend public schools. In fact based on 2010 data from the census bureau and school enrollment figures from Teaneck, over 60% of the school age population attend public schools.
Clark
8:35 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Tom -thank you for highlighting this statistic. There is a perception that teaneck has a majority population that does not avail itself of the public school system. In fact, it's simply that. A perception.
JamesTS
5:27 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
What does any of this have to do with giving Teaneck kids proper textbooks and facilities? SOME of you are talking salaries etc..but the school district already cut admin staff (which I think was needed to be done). ALSO: The article does not mention using money for admin salaries or anything. It is very simple if you just focus on what is in the article.. They had the money, then lost for Shalom and now they have it again. Why is there a big debate? Do you want kids to use old textbooks and have outdated courses?
Dee Are
6:22 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
much of the textbook purchase is accomplished using state money which is distributed to the various schools who educate students from a particular district. textbooks need not be paid for out of pocket unless the school needs to make major paradigm shifts in text use and makes a number of them at once.
Tom Abbott
8:29 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Not correct! Textbooks purchased for the public schools are paid for out of the public school budget supported by local property taxes. The state does not fund textbooks for the public schools.
The purchase of text books for use in the public schools does not come from the state. They are paid for out of the
Barbara Ley Toffler
6:55 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
The important thing is for money for public schools to be considered an investment. In an economy like the one we presently are experiencing, it is the best investment we can make. Critics: visit THS, BF, TJ, the elementary schools. See what you are investing in. And be proud!
Tamika
9:43 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Fact is the state has cut funding in Teaneck since the Christie administration entered. We have been allocating over 1 million dollars for a charter school that has not been properly organized for two years ago nor has it open and we cannot use these funds in the current school year after cutting programs and staffing. These funds have come from funds that taxpayers have already paid into the system regardless of budget cuts or not. Our children are entitled to a proper education. The elementary schools lost their World Language programs which decrease our ability to compete and perform against other schools in the country and international. Bring back these programs and update the textbooks.
We need new energy in the schools not separations and more Charter schools. If you do not like the school system even after trying it there are a number of private schools in the area you can pay for that NY parents come across the bridge to use. Charter schools are still public schools they are still using your tax dollars to fund their programs just with different agendas and Ideas and with less regulations. Regardless if you do not have any children in the current system these children are the futures of our country and will represent this town in the world. Take some pride and support them.
JustSayin
6:07 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
When you have one of the top 5 per student spending rates in the state year in and year out (even if a couple of budgets were not approved) and cannot find money for proper textbooks, the district is not underfunded it is just not managed responsibly. Many districts in Bergen County and throughout the state provide the same educational opportunities to their students (if not more) at a significantly lower cost. I think that under the leadership of Ardie Walser, the Board is beginning to tackle some of the worst spending practices - but there is a long way to go.
Also, over the last couple of years to minimize tax increases the Board has run down its reserves for things like legal costs. Set aside this new "found" money aside for a rainy day. When the next rainy day comes - and it will - wouldn't it be great if we could use the reserves rather than reduce programming further to pay for it.
zizi
9:33 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Be careful JustSayin: The vultures will come after you if you make any sense.
Barbara Ley Toffler
10:07 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Not sure what reserves you're referring to. I believe Gov. Christie took away the District's reserves in 2010 when he also took away $4 million in state aid (followed by the $6.1 million dollar cut by Council majority). Please document if these facts are wrong.
Charelle Wilson Hanley
9:08 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
For accuracy purposes, the article could have been titled, “Shalom Academy Money Could Go Back to Teaneck Classrooms” since the money for the Academy charter school had come from Teaneck's public school budget. If you'll remember, the Governor had already taken money from the school, so budgeting the Shalom Academy charter school with Teaneck public school's already depleted budget meant firing staff, cutting classes and not being able to buy basics like books where necessary.
Why not return the money back to the public school budget to try to reclaim some of the educational supplies to support the school system and help their students and teachers where it’s really needed? I applaud Dr. Walser’s efforts to go to Cerf and reclaim his schools’ money!
LaVerne
11:30 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
We need to thank Dr Walser for dealing with Trenton period! It can't be easy.
Josh Hosseinof
7:13 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
People ask about what the Board of Ed is spending their money on. To get an Idea of teacher salaries I suggest you check out the Asbury Park Press Data Universe, which shows salaries for 2011 for all Public school teachers statewide. Here are a few useful ones for Teaneck:
4 Teachers on "In-School Suspension" status - totaling $425,000:
http://php.app.com/edstaff/results2.php?county=BERGEN&district=TEANECK&school=%25&lname=&fname=&job1=In-School+Suspension&Submit=Submit
6 Phys Ed teachers - of whom 4 earn $104,000 or more:
http://php.app.com/edstaff/results2.php?county=BERGEN&district=TEANECK&school=%25&lname=&fname=&job1=Physical+Education&Submit=Submit
All teacher salaries in Teaneck:
http://php.app.com/edstaff/results2.php?county=BERGEN&district=TEANECK&school=%25&lname=&fname=&job1=%25&Submit=Submit
Note - these are the Base salaries for what is essentially a 10-month a year job. Add on the generous health plan and pension plan benefits and that will give a significantly higher dollar amount per employee.
Teaneck seems to have an extremely large number of teachers with Masters degrees. Is that because the positions require them to have a Masters degree in order to teach, or is that because of the automatic salary increases they get as a teacher with a Master's degree employed by Teaneck?
Do the students at Lowell and Bryant school really need Phys Ed. teachers with Masters degrees?
zizi
9:35 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Josh: thanks... I was trying to do some research and collect FACTS (not feelings) but you saved me some time. Trust me the vultures will not read or understand what we are trying to say. They just think spending is the way out of the mess the Teaneck school system is in.
John Santaella
10:55 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
So, someone wants FACTS. Is that an acronym for anything?
Fact: Charter schools have not been shown to be any better than public schools yet they operate with public funds with no accountability to the funding taxpayer.
Now we want excellence NOT be pursued ie; a Masters degree for a phys ed teacher.
We want to pay teachers less and to have less benefits. Wonderful.
Barbara Ostroth
11:55 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
The phys ed teachers who earn high salaries have been employed by the district for over 20 years, they teach health classes as well. Their salaries are in line with their level of education and years of experience, no matter how you think we should shortchange our young children. They do a terrific job, if you complainers tried to do it, you would be exhausted within an hour...
Kelly
10:22 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
The 4 teachers that are "In school suspension", I think that's a job title. they are in guidance area.
Barbara Ostroth
11:53 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Kelly is correct, they are staff positions needed for supervision at the secondary level. As far as the large numnber of staff with masters degrees, Teaneck enjoys a terrific retention rate of highly skilled teaching staff that not only are motivated to improve themselves but in addition the STATE REQUIRES that every public school teacher complete a certain number of training hours every year. My four children were educated in the public schools from 1987 to 2006, and benefitted enormously from the quality of instruction, educational opportunities, and the wonderful investment our taxpayers approved for upgrading the school buildings in the 1990's. Ms. Pinsak is right, the roofs of several of our buildings have been repaired over and over and need replacement badly, these projects have been put off long enough. Anyone who owns a home knows that when things like this come due, you've got to budget the money for physical repairs to maintain the value of your property.
zizi
11:46 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Josh: can you do some more reasearch and compare the salaries of Teaneck teachers with our neighboring towns? Also... the test scores.....
I just want to point out that there is no connection between teacher salaries and test scores... Teaneck spends a lot more than its peers and gets a lot less payback........
It is time to bring that balance back to Teaneck... spend less on salries/benefits and more on OUR kids and get results that matters.... every kid is ours and it is up to us to see that each one gets a fair shot at Amercian dream and all that is done keeping the interests of tax payers in mind.
BPinsak
12:59 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
To provide further information/clarity about an earlier website posting, the individuals listed as in school suspension are teacher-deans at Teaneck High School I can't say why they are listed as in school suspension on the Asbury Park website.
Josh Hosseinof
12:36 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Can you explain what role a "Teacher-dean" actually performs in the school? And why the high school needs 4 of them?
JustSayin
2:15 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Also, for the sake of accuracy, if you look at the Minutes of the Board's meeting on August 24, 2011, you will see that there were 7 gym teachers making more than $104,000 a year. At a certain point, you have to decide what is more important - highly paid gym teachers or high quality textbooks. BTW, 7 represents a decline from a high of 11 or 12 a couple of years ago. I assume this reflects retirements, so now the taxpayers continue to pay for these teachers in the form of higher pension payments.
Dr. Toffler - there was a partial spend down of the reserves a couple of years ago as a result of legislation in Trenton. However, in the current budget (see the 2012-2013 User Friendly Budget) capital reserves were dropped from 1M and 500,000 and Legal reserves were dropped from 1.9M to zero(!) Unless Teaneck's aging buildings are getting cheaper to maintain or Teaneck believes that no one will sue it in the future, it is hard to establish a rationale for these drops. Any savings from the Charter school should go to replenishing these reserves.
Finally, the fact that after $10M in cuts (ok, 4M in cuts and 6M in rejected increase) Teaneck continues to be in the top 2-3% of spending and cannot find a way to pay for quality textbooks just begs the question - what are they spending it on.
John Santaella
2:44 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
There is some misinformation here. Retired teachers are no longer on the payroll. Their pensions come out of their pension fund which was funded partially by the school system while they were employed by the system. There is no longer a contribution made by the Teaneck school system for these retirees.
JustSayin
3:06 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Did not say Teaneck taxpayers, just taxpayers. But you are right, I was not clear. Given the underfunded status of the pension fund, all the taxpayers of the State get the pleasure of funding these costs.
Barbara Ostroth
11:57 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
The Teaneck schools follow state requirements for student-teacher ratios that determine the number of physical education teachers needed. It's part of core curriculum standards.
Barbara Ley Toffler
1:46 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Again, for accuracy: in 2010 Christie CUT our $2 million in reserves (i.e. took it away). Then he denied us the anticipated $4 million in state aid. $2 million + $4 million = $6 million. The BOE tried to replace that $6 million with a $6 million budget increase. C. Parker, C. Honis and I suggested that the increase be cut by $3 million, not ideal but not devastating. The other 4 councilmembers voted to cut $6.1 million. $6 million + $6.1 million = $12.1 million cut from the public school budget in 2010. Re analyses about student performance. Esther Sandrof has done an analysis that tells a very different story from the one perpetrated by the anti-public school crowd. Perhaps she will share it on Patch.
JustSayin
3:16 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Gov Christie did not "take" anything. He required that the District spend down the reserves (not completely, but to a lower level) rather tax the taxpayers for the $2M. FYI - McGreevey did something pretty similar in 2004.
Again looking at the comparative spending guide
Total Spending
Actual 08-09: 89,947,855
Actual 09-10: 95,358,833
Revised Budget 10-11 88,832,071
Makes it a little hard to view this as a $12M cut. Basically the Budget was rolled back to within 2% of what it had been 2 years before and before the start of the recession. What is more amazing is that the Board had no issue raising spending about 6% in the first full school year of the recession.
zizi
4:07 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
It is time for Teaneck to discontinue pensions for its employees. Why can't they save for their own retirements like all other residents.....
Barbara Ostroth
11:57 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
It's against the law, Zizi.
Josh Hosseinof
2:24 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Here are some useful comparisons - Tenafly's Phys Ed. Teachers:
http://php.app.com/edstaff/results2.php?county=BERGEN&district=TENAFLY&school=%25&lname=&fname=&job1=Physical+Education&Submit=Submit
Tenafly has 12 Phys Ed. teachers - not a single one earns 100,000 or more.
In fact, only 4 of the 12 earn more than $90,000.
Bergenfield - 8 Phys ed teachers - Only 2 of them are above $80,000, the rest earn less.
http://php.app.com/edstaff/results2.php?county=BERGEN&district=BERGENFIELD&school=%25&lname=&fname=&job1=Physical+Education&Submit=Submit
Hackensack - 5 phys ed teachers - only 1 earns more than $100,00
http://php.app.com/edstaff/results2.php?county=BERGEN&district=HACKENSACK&school=%25&lname=&fname=&job1=Physical+Education&Submit=Submit
Want to do your own comparisons?
Go here to the Asbury Park Data Universe for public school teachers:
http://hp.app.com/edstaff/search.php
For any State/municipal employee:
http://www.app.com/section/DATA
Josh Hosseinof
2:35 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
I used Phys Ed. as an example here, not to question the amount of effort that a phys ed teacher puts into teaching, but only as an example that should make apples to apples comparisons easy. People say that if you spend less on the teachers you are shortchanging the students. Perhaps yes, perhaps not. But look at the amounts the neighboring towns are spending on Phys ed and look at the amounts that Teaneck spends. Does that extra money really that Teaneck spends show up in a better school experience for the students? Or is it just a sign of a broken pay system in the Teaneck Public schools that gives such high salaries without reference to whether the money is being wisely spent.
John Santaella
7:44 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
You could have easily used English or math or history. You used phys. ed because of the perceived public image of phys ed teachers. You are being disingenuous and it isn't becoming to this forum.
Josh Hosseinof
8:30 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Choose whatever category you want and show numbers where Teaneck is not paying more for the same teachers than other neighboring school districts. You accuse me of being disingenuous, but you don't post anything to contradict what I wrote. I posted a more academic example below.
The URL to search for your own comparisons is here so you can prove me wrong:
http://php.app.com/edstaff/search.php
Math teachers non-elementary - Teaneck - 20 teachers -13 earn over $90k, of those 7 earn over $100k
http://php.app.com/edstaff/results2.php?pageNum_Recordset1=0&totalRows_Recordset1=20&county=BERGEN&district=TEANECK&school=%25&lname=&fname=&job1=Math+Non-Elementary&Submit=Submit
Tenafly - 19 Math non-elementary teachers - 9 earn more than $90k, of those only 2 earn more than $100k
http://php.app.com/edstaff/results2.php?pageNum_Recordset1=0&totalRows_Recordset1=19&county=BERGEN&district=TENAFLY&school=%25&lname=&fname=&job1=Math+Non-Elementary&Submit=Submit
Bergenfield - 16 Math non-elementary teachers - only 1 earns over 90k, and 0 over $100k
http://php.app.com/edstaff/results2.php?pageNum_Recordset1=0&totalRows_Recordset1=16&county=BERGEN&district=BERGENFIELD&school=%25&lname=&fname=&job1=Math+Non-Elementary&Submit=Submit
Dumont - 11 teachers, 1 earns over $90k, 0 earn over $100k.
http://php.app.com/edstaff/results2.php?pageNum_Recordset1=0&totalRows_Recordset1=11&county=BERGEN&district=DUMONT&school=%25&lname=&fname=&job1=Math+Non-Elementary&Submit=Submit
zizi
11:26 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Teaneck can in fact stop contributing from this contract on... previous obligations will still haunt the tax payers for generations....
Tom Abbott
10:42 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
In fact it cannot stop contributing to pensions. It's against the law no matter how often you repeat it.
zizi
8:27 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Tom & company: Why don't you answer Josh.......
It only means we need to change the law.......