Teaneck Explores Repairing P.A.L. Building
Meeting space proposed at long-vacant township site
Teaneck officials are reviewing options for the rundown former Police Athletic League building on Belle Avenue.
Township Manager William Broughton suggested the town match a $20,000 grant awarded to install handicapped bathrooms with funds to repair the decades old structure.
"It's a space that could be used for meeting space. We've had several people approach us on that issue," he said at the March 5 council meeting.
Repairs needed on the building's foundation would cost around $17,000, Broughton said.
A Teaneck electrician volunteered to work on the building, Broughton said. Other volunteers could be used to help clear the building.
Councilman Elie Y. Katz, who worked to find grant funding for the project, said local residents and community groups have also expressed interest in covering costs for building renovations.
The long-vacant building sits in Mayor Eleanor Kieliszek Park, near Route 4. Records show it was built in 1950.
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Art Vatsky
8:56 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013
I am not sure investing in the PAL building is a wise decision. I understand this temporary building was constructed as a real estate sales office, not as a permanent structure, around 1930. It is very small - perhaps the size of a living room.
Teaneck has a record of bad building decisions. Anyone remember the "Town House" at the corner of Teaneck Road and Forest Ave.? It was an old school building in poor condition. It was used for various meetings and as a Senior Citizen Center. The Township used grant money to install an elevator. Then it was learned the roof was collapsing. The newly installed elevator was demolished along with the building about 1995. That was a poor investment.
No more poor investments of Teaneck dollars, please!
Tee Smyth
4:45 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Is that what happened to the Town House? LOL. Wow. I was away at school during that time.
John Santaella
12:46 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
You're absolutely right Art.
This building was 'renovated' about 20 years ago. It was used briefly by a soccer league in town and now it's in disrepair again? Raze it and plant flowers on the lot. I'm sure volunteers would love to plant flowers.
Teaneck Voter
1:16 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
The Eyesore on 4!
sean Gee
1:38 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Meeting place, Really? Meeting place for what and why would anyone care to meet there? Eli Katz Fail!
mary feeney
3:05 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Reopen it as PAL, our youth needs it, don't you think? Meeting place for whom? Adults? Come on Teaneck!
John Santaella
5:51 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
I've often wondered why it had the name "PAL" . It has not been that the years I've been in Teaneck. It housed a ham radio group at one point but, again, not in 30 years or more. Raze it, clear it plant flowers around the place with a few benches for residents to relax.
Art Vatsky
3:54 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Mary, I haven't been in it but the building really is too small. I walked around it day before yesterday. If the township wants to go ahead it better first make public a 3rd party engineers report to determine its condition (will is collapse in a few years like the Town House?) and what is required to bring it up to safety, fire and occupancy code, though I think municipalities are exempt in from those regulation. (Can anyone explain why that is so or not? Why the regulations we citizens must follow are not required of a governing body?)
TeaneckUSEDtoBeGood
4:11 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Raze it. There is no value in it. I wonder how much Elie Katz is getting for this? Anytime there is a big decision to be made in Teaneck - SCRUTINIZE Katz....
We are already pissing dollars away with our Township Manager's boondoggle of a vehicle and lonnnnnnnnnnng commute to Jackson, NJ.
sean Gee
5:41 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
absolutely, Kickbacks are alive and well in Teaneck!
John Santaella
5:51 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Unless you can prove that you shouldn't make such a statement.
zizi
12:46 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013
looks like John is also in it.......
sean Gee
6:05 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Unless you can disprove it then I can make any such statement...
Toni Nayowitz
9:41 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
I have fond memories of having Girl Scout meetings there in the 60's-at that time it was called "The Girl Scout Little House". Maybe it could become a commuter station for the commuters who wait for buses and rides. It looks like a pretty busy bus stop.
Art Vatsky
9:50 am on Friday, March 15, 2013
Thank you, Toni! First time I've heard the building was actually used for children's activity. As far as a "commuter station" is concerned, you'll note the eastbound Belle Ave bus stop across Rt. 4 has a bus shelter. I agree, the westbound bus stop should be considered for one as well.
Paul Ostrow
10:32 am on Friday, March 15, 2013
I have concerns about this building's potential and value. Parking in the area is limitted and restricted. The proximity to a highway where vehicles travel at 55 MPH is a safety issue. The ingress and egress to Route #4 at Belle Avenue creates a potentially dangerous situation for vehicles in the area; cyclists and pedestrians as well. The building has no basement, heat, air conditioning nor decent insulation and is structurally questionable.. the overall footprint and amount of internal square footage is small and the cost/return on investment ratio would be low from my perspective. Don't waste the dollars; put them towards the old police building which can provide plenty of meeting space.
zizi
12:46 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013
Teaneck government running crazy... spending dollars..... like there is no tomorrow.
This is how all projects start here in Teaneck...... They end up costing a lot more than the estimates........ We should get rid of it..... period......
zizi
12:46 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013
Why don't people use rooms in the Teaneck high school across the highway..... There is plenty of room......
The old Police building should be sold to the highest bidder........
Art Vatsky
3:53 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013
The Rt. 4 Belle Ave entrance/exit is unchanged since the highway was built nearly 100 years ago. The westbound road lacks both a deceleration and an acceleration lane. The Council has been informed of this situation. It is a safety issue so they should request reconstruction by NJDOT of that area of Kieliszek Park immediately. I also hope they remove the self-serving "Welcome to Teaneck/Season's Greetings" signs at the intersection. Those signs reduce the useable area of the park as does the PAL building. I hope they remove both and replace them with a bus shelter and perhaps some park bench/tables as they have in Sagamore Park.
John Santaella
5:55 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013
Hear, hear. Every year that ''Welcome to Teaneck'' sign makes me laugh. Drivers are more than half way through Teaneck before that assault. Put the darn thing just beyond the Englewood border.
Paul Ostrow had more input here on the state of the PAL building. It has no facilities at all; no heat, A/C insulation or anything. I think the town manager does not know what he's talking about if he thinks $20,000 will bring it up to snuff. Maybe we should get a vigilante group and go out some night and tear the place down. ;)
zizi
12:04 am on Saturday, March 16, 2013
This is why smart people are saying some kickbacks are in the picture somewhere.... no sane person will invest 20K in such a venture.... Raze it and turn it into a green space..... put an add on craigslist.... take anything you need.... this place will be gone before you know it..... for free...
sean Gee
5:02 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013
Thats right Zizi!
Jim Dunleavy
12:28 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013
Some recent history. The "PAL building" housed a ham radio group and the Teaneck Junior Soccer League up to about 2006-07. After that TJSL has had to house its equipment in the canteen at Votee and have mtgs in Rodda. I do not know what happened to the ham radio group. It was never confirmed that is was actually used as a PAL Club house. If there was a plan that included revenue for the town I would be interested in hearing it before deciding on what to do, as long as that plan did not include a Starbucks or a bank. Paul's points are well taken as to the issues related to its proximity to the Belle Ave exit. Perhaps the money could be used to revitalize the Votee canteen building so it did not flood out as it does now. Do we have an identified need for more meeting space? Lets not create structures with no predefined need.
jackie miller
9:31 am on Tuesday, March 19, 2013
Hey how about a meeting place on Cedar Lane! Maybe where an old resturant use to be and put a big old Walgreens there!!!
Art Vatsky
7:22 pm on Wednesday, April 24, 2013
Based on the April 23 Council meeting, the $20,000 ADA bathroom will be going into this old building. The Manager says it needs $17,000 in additional foundation repairs. I don't recall if there is an ADA ramp to get those who need to use the ADA bathroom into the building. But still this is old construction that will need to be heated and cooled, have security and cameras, insurance. Frankly, it reminds me of the Bates Motel from the movie "Psycho".
As far as those who want to use it for meetings, it may be better to rent a meeting room at the Glenpoint than go thru this expenditure. For eight meetings a year, it might be under $1,000 a year cost to the township. Security, parking, heating and cooling, ADA bathrooms are all included. Consider that against the proposed cost and I think the answer is clear.
John Santaella
9:32 pm on Wednesday, April 24, 2013
This place needs a lot of work. Then there is the cost of maintenance plus heating and cooling. It's not worth it.
Tee Smyth
8:44 pm on Wednesday, April 24, 2013
I know a group who can purchase this property for a memorial.
John Santaella
9:32 pm on Wednesday, April 24, 2013
There you go, that's a good idea.
John Santaella
9:32 pm on Wednesday, April 24, 2013
A memorial to folly. This town council and manager are nuts.